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Cole & Malone: The CDC Is Guilty Of Scientific Fraud! - Art Moore Interview

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Dr. Ryan Cole and Dr. Robert Malone believe the CDC is guilty of scientific fraud. They lay out their concerns in this 30-minute interview with WND reporter Art Moore.

If you are a CDC insider and want to become a whistleblower, contact Senator Ron Johnson:

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Original Video:

https://rumble.com/vvjid8-dr.-robert-malone-and-dr.-ryan-cole-cdc-committing-scientific-fraud.html

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'Scientific fraud': Drs. Robert Malone, Ryan Cole React To CDC Hiding Data
"These are the people that are entrusted to tell us the truth"
By Art Moore
WND
February 22, 2022

https://www.wnd.com/2022/02/scientific-fraud-drs-robert-malone-ryan-cole-react-cdc-hiding-data/

Urging CDC scientists to speak out, Dr. Robert Malone and Dr. Ryan Cole reacted Monday to the news reported by the New York Times that agency officials admit they have withheld COVID data broken down by age, race and vaccination status because the American people might misinterpret it.

"This meets the criteria of scientific fraud," said Malone, the key inventor of the mRNA technology platform used in the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines. "Withholding data is scientific fraud."

Cole, a Mayo Clinic-trained pathologist who runs a major diagnostic lab in Idaho, said that as "an ethical physician who took oaths to the human race, this is incredibly disturbing."

"These are the people that are entrusted to tell us the truth," he said of the CDC officials.

The two outspoken medical scientists were featured at four sold-out events Sunday and Monday near Seattle hosted by a non-profit called One Washington that is helping equip parents, lawmakers and activists to counter moves by the state Board of Health to add the COVID-19 vaccine to the required shots for public school children.

The Times reported the CDC "has been routinely collecting information since the Covid vaccines were first rolled out last year," but the agency "has been reluctant to make those figures public, the official said, because they might be misinterpreted as the vaccines being ineffective."

The report said that “[t]wo full years into the pandemic, the agency leading the country’s response to the public health emergency has published only a tiny fraction of the data it has collected," citing "several people familiar" with the withheld data. "Much of the withheld information could help state and local health officials better target their efforts to bring the virus under control," the Times said.

Malone noted the Times quoted Samuel Scarpino, managing director of pathogen surveillance at the Rockefeller Foundation's Pandemic Prevention Institute, saying the CDC "is a political organization as much as it is a public health organization." He said the steps that it takes to get the data released "are often well outside of the control of many of the scientists that work at the C.D.C."

Malone said that what Scarpino essentially is saying is "that the governmental leadership of the CDC has stifled CDC scientists, in preventing them from disclosing key information to the public about the risks of the vaccine."

"That is stunning," he said.

Malone said it's "way past time" for CDC scientists and physicians to "come clean" and speak out.

Cole agreed that they have "an ethical responsibility to humanity" to tell the American people what is going on. Last month, he testified with Malone and other physicians and scientists at a panel convened by Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wis., called "COVID-19: A Second Opinion." Cole testified that he has observed in his lab over the past year a startling uptick in incidences of clotting, auto-immune diseases and cancers.

"We physicians and scientists have one responsibility, and one responsibility only, and that is the health and wellness of humanity, no matter the inconvenient cost of telling that truth," he said.

In the interview with WND, Malone also reacted to Bill Gates' remark last week that "sadly," the omicron variant is acting like a natural vaccine, with the vaccine inventor recalling his forecast in December that omicron could turn out to be a "Christmas present."

And he discussed "worrisome" data from around the world indicating that the fear the FDA expressed during the clinical trials of the possibility of vaccine-enhanced disease and infection is occurring.

"This knee-jerk (reaction) of just doing more vaccination -- it has significant risk of making things worse rather than better," he said.

Cole noted that Israel's top vaccinologist, Cyrille Cohen, is arguing the science indicates the vaccines should be stopped. And Cole contended President Biden's extension of the COVID-19 national emergency order beyond March 1 is fraudulent, "because there is no emergency."

Last week, after its data indicated vaccinated people were more vulnerable to COVID-19 infection than the unvaccinated, Scotland's national health system announced it would stop publishing its weekly chart of COVID-19 hospitalizations and deaths by vaccine status, explaining it was being "misinterpreted" by "anti-vaxxers."

Meanwhile, the CDC has a database called the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System, or VAERS, that CDC Director Rochelle Walensky continues to undermine as unreliable while refusing to disclose to the public how many people have been seriously injured or have died from the COVID vaccines.

More excerpts from the Times story:

• "When the C.D.C. published the first significant data on the effectiveness of boosters in adults younger than 65 two weeks ago, it left out the numbers for a huge portion of that population: 18- to 49-year-olds, the group least likely to benefit from extra shots, because the first two doses already left them well-protected."

• "Much of the withheld information could help state and local health officials better target their efforts to bring the virus under control. Detailed, timely data on hospitalizations by age and race would help health officials identify and help the populations at highest risk. Information on hospitalizations and death by age and vaccination status would have helped inform whether healthy adults needed booster shots. And wastewater surveillance across the nation would spot outbreaks and emerging variants early."

• "Without the booster data for 18- to 49-year-olds, the outside experts whom federal health agencies look to for advice had to rely on numbers from Israel to make their recommendations on the shots."

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COVID-19: A Second Opinion – Washington D.C. Panel Discussion – January 24, 2022
https://sunfellow.com/covid-19-a-second-opinion-washington-d-c-panel-discussion-january-24-2022/

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Scientific Fraud and the CDC
These are the people entrusted with the truth
By Robert W Malone MD, MS
February 24, 2022

https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/scientific-fraud-and-the-cdc

https://www.wnd.com/2022/02/scientific-fraud-drs-robert-malone-ryan-cole-react-cdc-hiding-data/

Dr. Cole and I sat down with Art Moore in Washington State on Monday to talk about the CDC covering up data, scientific fraud and what comes next. The video is linked above. But for those who prefer to read, the full transcript of the conversation is below.

Note: the above link is not being allowed to be forwarded by T-mobile and probably other cell phone services. Evidently speaking about censorship and scientific fraud is considered too dangerous by our government.

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The conversation begins with:

Mr. Art Moore:

I'm Art Moore in Gig Harbor, Washington, here with Dr. Robert Malone, Dr. Ryan Cole. And we're here with parents and activists and lawmakers who are really concerned about this safety issue regarding the COVID vaccines. And we've talked about the CDC data that's on the VAERS database and the fact that it is in spite of accusations that it's not reliable.

It is giving us some alarming safety signals. But now we come to a blockbuster story. The New York Times has interviewed CDC officials who admit that they have data that goes beyond this VAERS data. They have granular data that is indicating how many people have been hospitalized deaths. Other data regarding the impact of these vaccines that they admit they've been hiding and hiding because they're concerned about vaccine hesitancy.

Dr. Cole, what's your reaction to that?

Dr. Ryan Cole

Well, as an ethical physician who took oaths to the human race, this is incredibly disturbing. These are the people that are entrusted to share with us the truth, to know that they're withholding safety data signals all in the name of trying to prevent a hesitancy over something experimental that's being used not only on adults, but trying to push this forward on children with no long term safety record.

We can't advance the clock and know what the long term outcomes are. We now to know that they know that there are problems and they're withholding it from the American people, that is scientific fraud.

Dr. Robert Malone

I completely concur. So I'm just going to read the title and a couple of clips from this blockbuster New York Times piece. And by the way, what I find fascinating is The New York Times is trying to normalize what has been going on at the CDC. They're trying to make it sound like it's acceptable practice. And I strongly concur with Ryan.

This meets the criteria of scientific fraud. Withholding data is scientific fraud. So reading from the title, “The CDC isn't publishing large portions of the COVID data it collects”. New York Times February 21st 2022 just an amazing title. Read that again. “CDC is not publishing large portions of the COVID data it collects.” Then there's a quote from Samuel Scarpino, managing director of the Pathogen Surveillance at the Rockefeller Foundation's Pandemic Prevention Institute. This is somebody who is deeply in the non-governmental sector, speaking on behalf basically of the scientists at the CDC that have failed to disclose this up till now. Here's what he says. Direct quote, "The CDC is a political organization as much as it is a public health organization." I mean, that is totally inconsistent with their charter. He's speaking the truth of the situation, and that's where we're at, the CDC.

He is saying the the CDC is overtly functioning as a political arm of the executive branch as opposed to serving its mandate from Congress. To protect the health and collect the information. In this, as the Centers for Disease Control and Surveillance that is their mission. This guy, Samuel Scarpino, goes on to say, “The steps that it takes to get something like this released are often well outside of the control of many of the scientists who work at the CDC”. Now think that quote through.

Basically a non-governmental spokesperson for the official public health scientific community is throwing Rochelle Walensky, the CDC director, under the bus. What he is saying, if you read think through his words is that the governmental leadership of the CDC has stifled CDC scientists and preventing them from disclosing key information to the public about the risks of the vaccine.

That is stunning.

Art Moore

Dr. Alan, you're well connected. I imagine, you know, many of these scientists, these scientists who are working with the CDC or advise or consult the CDC tell us just from your your experience and your standpoint what this really means Okay.

Dr. Robert Malone

I'm going to speculate because that's what you're asking me to do is kind of give you a sense of what I infer. I mean, right now, nobody's talking to me from inside the government for some reason -except my buddies at the DOD. And even that's a little limited. The CDC staff is a bureaucracy; the physicians and medical scientists sit underneath a political operation.

And for them, you know, this is their paycheck. They are focused on security. Otherwise they wouldn't work for the government at 80% of market rate. They often find themselves in positions where they're not able to really say what they're seeing and what they're experiencing. They're often very frustrated, in my experience, by having to operate underneath this political leadership organization.

And what we've got here is that they're not having the courage, unlike what folks like Ryan and I are doing. We're sticking our careers online. They haven't had the courage to come out and say, “No. This is not right.”

What's going on? So it appears that what they're doing is using a surrogate at the Rockefeller Foundation, an NGO, non non-governmental organization, to speak what they are observing and what they don't have the courage to speak about.

It's time, in my opinion, for the scientists and physicians of the CDC to come clean. It's way past time. But that's what seems to be happening is they have been undercover, observing these things and haven't had the courage to speak out about it. And as the narrative is crumbling, this a bunch of them apparently have gone to the press anonymously, because there's nobody cited on record here.

Multiple scientists are being quoted as sources by the New York Times, but they're all on background. You know what that means? None of them are having the courage to stick their necks out. And they're using a surrogate at the Rockefeller Foundation to to be their spokesperson.

And they got a problem because now they're work, their records, their careers are on the line because it's coming out that what we have is suppression of key public health information for political purpose and they may well have to confront legal consequences at some point in time.

Art Moore

I think I've been listening to you health care scientists over the last couple of days talk about what you're seeing. And so Dr. Cole in your lab and Dr. Malone, you have a big picture view of really horrific signs that there are many people who not only are being severely injured in these vaccines, but dying. And so I wonder, Dr. Cole, just from the standpoint of a physician, you went into this profession because you wanted to help people, and it just seemed that something horrible a scenario is is emerging that that could be beyond comprehension.

What's your sense of what's happening now?

Dr. Ryan Cole

Thank you. And that is the moral and ethical responsibility in all of this. I went into medicine to be a healer, to take care of people. And when I started seeing these signals early on, I knew right away I have one thing and one thing only to do. And that's to tell the truth, whether it's convenient or inconvenient, you have to follow the truth where it goes.

So these players within the CDC, within government agencies, if they see that signal, instead of protecting their career or being worried about what's going to happen to me if I say something, what about the human being that's going to be harmed and damaged by you not saying something? So we as physicians and scientists have one responsibility only, and that's the health and wellness of humanity, no matter the inconvenient cost of telling that truth.

So in a scenario like this, yes, in the lab I started seeing the clotting damage. Yes. I started seeing upticks in autoimmune disease. Yes, I started seeing an uptick in cancers. Did I sound the alarm? You bet I did. And what did I hear from most of my colleagues? Crickets.

Dr. Robert Malone

I'd like to amplify on that. We both come from a background of pathology. I taught pathology at the medical school level for well over a decade, and the historic role of pathologists in the medical profession is basically quality control. We're the final arbiters of truth, and it may be one of the reasons why we've been comfortable speaking out is because that is the nature of our discipline.

That is the historic nature of the role of pathology in medicine is to be the final arbiters of truth. That's what we do. That's what pathologists are about.

Dr. Ryan Cole

Yeah, we don't cause the disease. We're the reporters at the scene of the crash. And when we see the crash, we report on the crash. And very often in medicine, the first person to observe there's a difference in the pattern. And the signal here is the pathologist saying, I'm seeing something new. And then you sound the alarm and you get other colleagues to look at that same signal.

Are they seeing that signal as well?

Art Moore

"Yeah. So when I think back, what I remember is the rebuttal is, “well, you know, we don't have the studies." This is anecdotal.” bBut what you're saying is there's a process. You begin with anecdotal and then you move towards studies.

Dr. Robert Malone

And I wouldn't even say anecdotal, anecdotal as a pejorative.

Dr. Ryan Cole

I would say it's the early signal.

Dr. Robert Malone

Bingo. And when you hear about signal detection.

Dr. Ryan Cole

And worse, we detect that signal and then the signal is starting to amplify because now when we go to conferences and we talk to say, I talked to a surgical oncologist surgeon last night, he's saying he has a young gastric cancer patient, who is a 28 year old, an esophageal cancer who is 31 year old. A radiologist called me yesterday from a multi-center unit, with another 31 year old person dead - within a couple of weeks of their shots. And so when you see these unusual signals and then it gets amplified every time you get another colleague saying thank you for speaking up. “I'm seeing the same signal.” “I'm seeing the same signal.” Now you have an overwhelming amount of evidence that you can call and draw on scientifically.

Dr. Robert Malone

What happens a lot of times is the problem is pattern recognition.

Dr. Ryan Cole

Yes.

Dr. Robert Malone

And pattern recognition is really tough when you're at the tip of the spear because you have no preceding metaphor. And once somebody like Ryan speaks out and saying, says, things like, I've seen signs of these viral diseases cropping up. It's sounds and looks like immunosuppression. I'm seeing signs of unusual cancers cropping up that fits with the immunosuppression” then we're starting to build a pattern.

Okay. And then we say to our colleagues, we're observing this pattern. Are you seeing it also? And when that starts coming back, from people like oncologists and surgeons, then, then then we're starting to say this is looking a little alarming. And it's time to really dig in. What happens that I've seen is once those those ideas, that initial pattern recognition is gone out there, then other people are often able to perceive things that before they might have noticed subconsciously, but they not might not have been aware of.

And that's how medicine progresses.

Dr. Ryan Cole

Now, they may have had a subconscious blind spot, but when you realize that that pattern is clicking upward, they open their eyes and say, I am seeing that. And then the frustration is knowing that we have large data gather gathering agencies for the which we pay with our tax dollars, who say nothing. I pay, we all pay. And then public information coming out saying, oh, we've been seeing those patterns, but we feel like you don't need the whole truth because we need to hide those things.

Dr. Robert Malone

This has been what's gone on all the way through. With Tony Fauci talking about, “well, I told them that you would be reach herd immunity at 70% vaccination because “I thought that's what they could handle and then oh it's 80%”. If you run the calculations, even with Delta it was 140% vaccine coverage to get to herd immunity.

In other words you can't achieve herd immunity when you run the calculations. This is what what we've seen. And we saw this lying really early on - as “the noble lie.” That's what we've been dealing with all the way through and this is just the latest embodiment of the government feeling like the way they need to manage us is with the noble lie of spoon feeding us what they think we can accept, not giving us truth.

Art Moore

The truth is that because they went all in on the vaccines, as if there's no other way to treat this. And it's just easy. One, fix the vaccines. Is that why they're defending? And also, you know, why they're not why they're suppressing the trigger?

Dr. Robert Malone

This gets into the the dangerous territory of thinking that we can get inside of Rochelle's and Tony's head.

Dr. Ryan Cole

It's always hard to answer somebody else's “why?” I can observe data and report data, and my job in medicine is always to follow that data, whether convenient or not, the data tells the truth. If you have the full data, so when full data is being withheld, then the data becomes a partial lie.

To Dr. Malone's point saying, “well, you're not prepared for the truth or we know better.” This is paternalistic and paternalistic. “You're just little children” is really an improper way to treat patients. These agencies are saying “we let you know what truth you're allowed to have or not.” And then you get policymakers, you get governors, you get school boards, saying, well, our policy will be this based on this.

Dr. Robert Malone

You get medical licensing boards.

Dr. Ryan Cole

Coming after people like you and I.

Dr. Robert Malone

Who (medical licensing boards) are often appointed by politicos coming after us, trying to take our license because we've been speaking truth. Because as pathologists, we are trained folk who are able to pick out signal from noise. And we've done it earlier and we haven't been constrained in speaking the truth that we see. The problem is then a lot of the other docs that aren't trained in this kind of signal detection world and only hear the messaging from the government.

Pathologists apply information in science to medicine daily. We're the folks that have to give that truth to them (other doctors). So they know how to manage things clinically. But what's happened is that everybody has assumed that the CDC and the NIH are speaking truth, and as a consequence, they felt justified in attacking us for observing these signals giving these warnings.

And we've had to bear the brunt. And as opposed to our esteemed colleagues inside the government at the CDC, who have failed to disclose what they're observing, we've been the ones at the tip of the spear, taking it from the press, from our licensing boards. And now we find out that, in fact, we're being validated that what we have observed is been hidden from the regular the general community.

And that's the the key point that it bothers me here is that the CDC has a responsibility to communicate accurate information. It represents that it's doing so, and it's communicating both to the general public and to the medical community. And they are now admitting through this New York Times article, multiple sources, that they've been lying to the medical community and that is scientific fraud.

That is the definition, withholding data, scientific data, medical data - that is fraud.

Art Moore

So it sounds essentially like what the government is saying to us non-scientists is you can't handle the truth. Correct?

Dr. Robert Malone

Precisely. It couldn't be any more overt.

Dr. Ryan Cole

And with an article like this coming out, coming out now, we should invite our colleagues who aren’t seeing what they've been told to stand up and say it. They should wake up.

Dr. Robert Malone

They must.

Dr. Ryan Cole

Say it. It is an ethical responsibility to humanity to do so.

Art Moore

And you've been doing that for some time, trying to to wake up and encourage your colleagues from all across this nation.

Dr. Robert Malone

In the world.

Art Moore

And we've heard numbers like there are maybe 500 physicians in America who are awake and nobody can know for sure, but that's a handful or I just a small portion of the physicians here. Tell me, though.

Dr. Robert Malone

I think that was a Pierre Kory quote, and that was four months ago. Okay. But the numbers have been building.

Art Moore

Yeah. What are you seeing?

Dr. Robert Malone

I'm getting calls all the time. You're getting calls. People are coming out of the woodwork. They're hearing this messaging. It is not about us. We are really adamant this is not about us. It's about you and the community and our fellow physicians. But remember, that we're not just two. We represent an organization, the global COVID Summit Group that is over 17,000 physicians and medical scientists from all over the world.

We have all been speaking. But the problem is that there's a concerted effort to censor us and prevent us from speaking. You know, I've been de-platformed on LinkedIn and Twitter. There's all the blowback over the Joe Rogan podcast, a concerted effort in mainstream media. We're so grateful for the at least the conservative media has been willing to talk to us.

But on there has been a concerted effort to keep key information from physicians, scientists and the general public. And now it's out in the open.

Art Moore

And it really begins to make a lot more sense when you look at this New York Times article and just the admission of the direct connection between information and worrying that people will get the vaccine, that seems pretty simple. Yeah. Now, this is going to be a huge issue that I know you two will be talking about in the days to come.

But if we could just briefly move to another issue so back in December, Dr. Malone, you were talking about the Omicron variant. That this wave will have a silver lining. That Omicron itself could act kind of like a natural vaccine. And now just in the last few days, we hear Bill Gates is on video saying, sadly, it seems that Omicron is acting like a natural vaccine.

Dr. Robert Malone

Bill Gates has bragged about how much money he's made off of this outbreak. He made strategic investments based on his situational awareness and somehow had foreshadowing that something like this was coming and placed his financial bets. He's made a lot of money on this.

So there's this odd use of language I think is kind of a Freudian slip. It's us seeing into his mind. And, you know, what it reveals is that this gentleman has purported to be an advocate for humanity, the champion of global health, is working another agenda. Why else would he say, “sadly”, that this natural phenomena of Omnicom is acting as a natural vaccine and has virtually vaccinated the entire world to generate mucosal immunity. Exactly what I predicted. If anybody wants to fact check me, they all I got to do is look up the Laura Ingram clips from before Christmas.

Frankly I went out line on that prediction. I was a little worried that I was going a little too far. But the thing about being a professional and doing this for a living for decades is it gives you a certain amount of confidence in reading the data and as a virologist and a vaccinologist, I knew when I heard the data coming out of South Africa that this looked like it could play out in a good way. When I looked at how the virus had evolved to infect upper airways. So I said that this looked like a Christmas present.

And now we've got Bill Gates confirming it, in his own interesting way, which which reveals his own personal agenda. But I again, I really don't like to get into people's heads. I'm not a psychiatrist. Yeah, but it's a fascinating statement.

Art Moore

Yeah. Just one thing really quickly to add, I think to that a Dr. Cole, you've been talking about natural immunity and its superiority. The studies show us over vaccine immunity. So when we talk about Omicron being like a natural vaccine, that's pretty good news.

Dr. Ryan Cole

That's fantastic news. Brownstone Institute has 150 articles showing how natural immunity is far superior to vaccine immunity. And we've known this for a long time. Omicron is, to Dr. Malone's point, even even more so that added blessing to humanity as this virus has changed and is our new “Funny Uncle” Variant. It is less deadly than earlier variants but spreads more readily. Natural immunity has provided that broad natural immunity. COVID recovered immunity has mucosal immunity. Now when it comes into your body, your body says, “Hey, I remember that I can fight that off.” So yeah, it's a blessing to humanity. We've been saying this for a long time. And now the data is supporting that.

Dr. Robert Malone

There is one nuance in the current data that that is a little worrisome. And I'm not comfortable that it is fully verified yet. But the signal is there and it's very worrisome to many of us.

There is data from all over the world coming direct from government databases suggesting that the risk of the current infection and disease is higher in people that have been previously vaccinated. And it's a function of the number of doses. So this gets to a whole issue of whether it makes a lot of sense to keep boosting people, because this is it.

The risk of enhanced disease and infection is still here. That is something the FDA worried about in their very first emergency use authorization documents. They told the pharmaceutical industry that they had to follow this issue and analyze whether or not it was happening. Pharma decided not to do that, even though the FDA recommended it. And the FDA didn't force them to do it.

And now we're seeing the signal. So that's the thing that I think got both of us a little bit worried is these signs exist and the concern is that we may see future variants. We have to be very vigilant right now. But this knee jerk reaction to just do more vaccination has significant risk for making things worse rather than better.

Dr. Ryan Cole

And we knew this historically with the trials of prior coronavirus vaccines, which all failed for pathologic and immunologic reasons. And we know the history of this family of viruses. So kind of to your original question, was a vaccine strategy the prudent thing to do well, in retrospect and to Dr. Malone's point that we know that more doses doesn't seem to be helping, it rather seems to be having a detrimental effect on those who have had more doses in terms of acquisition of future variants and adverse outcomes with those variants.

So our concern is from a pattern point of view that and that the CDC is hiding the data. They know that this is an issue and the point of this conversation.

Dr. Robert Malone

Well, and then there's then there's this chief immunologist in Israel, which is ground zero for rolling out the Pfizer vaccine with the extra booster. You talked about that.

Dr. Ryan Cole

This is key. Dr. Cohen, the chief immunologist of Israel, who created their vaccine roll out program. Not they have given shot after shot and booster with another booster. Dr. Cohen now says, “look we've made mistakes. We thought this was going to be better than it was with these shots. That there would be no more passports, no more boosters. It is not working.”

If you want to see where diseases going off the charts, look at where they've received a third and a fourth booster that's Israel.

So their chief immunologist is saying “stop, we have to stop.” Of course the media attacked him for saying it but he has the data and the science saying this is prudent time to stop.

Dr. Robert Malone

And if I can't know there's another buried lead in that bill Gates interview. He acknowledges that they blew it by suppressing early treatment and drug alternatives and just focusing on the vaccines. It's a fascinating interview. And that's another message that our group has been putting out through Dr. Peter McCullough and Dr. Dr. Zelenko and so many other doctors - that early treatment saves lives.

And now we got Bill Gates, the champion of vaccines, acknowledging that the public health community worldwide blew it by suppressing early treatment. And by the way, one of the ways they've suppressed it is through this propaganda campaign in the press that we've seen both on hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin early treatment, They have blocked papers about early treatment in the scientific literature, and most scientific journals requiring that there be these little statements genuflecting to the efficacy of the vaccine if you want to publish anything.

But now the data is coming out anyway.

Art Moore

Is that in line with this whole idea of the vaccines or the way to do this? And if you have alternative treatments, I understand you can't get emergency use authorization because that's one of the criteria.

Dr. Robert Malone

There is that. The problem with that argument is that I tested that directly with the CDC and asked them to get back to me. And they did. And basically, they said yeah, that's the way the law reads. But they said to me directly, they don't care they're going to do whatever they want to do. They disregarded the actual language of the emergency use authorization.

So they didn't really see that as an obstacle. That gets to this whole point of what is functionally under this emergency declaration that has just been reactivated by the Biden administration. They're able to suspend law. At least they believe that they are. They believe that they're able to circumvent the Constitution and the statutes enacted by Congress, including the bioethics statutes that we call the common rule.

That has been one of the things that's upset me the most all the way through this is the government is acting in a lawless fashion, and they believe they have the right to do it because of this emergency declaration, which in our opinion is no longer valid. There is no medical emergency here. So if there's any emergency, it's that the truckers are rolling on DC that's what's got them really worried.

Dr. Ryan Cole

There is no medical emergency now that Omicron is here, acting as a blessing for humanity. We know we have early treatments. We know how to stop the disease and treat the disease. So to declare that there's a medical emergency is pure governmental fraud. We as physicians and tens of thousands of physicians know that this no that that declaration of emergency is fraudulent.

So they are violating constitutional principles and the law. We know the CDC is lying to us. Now, who else was lying to us? This is the frustration in all of this, is that we are the scientists. We see the disease. We know what's happening. The truth needs to be told that there is no emergency. The emergency powers need to end yesterday.

And we support those who use their constitutional rights to protest for freedom. We are all truckers now.

Dr. Robert Malone

Well put.

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https://rumble.com/vtd0vg-dr.-robert-malone-where-there-is-risk-there-must-be-choice.html

Dr. Robert Malone - Defeat The Mandates - January 23, 2022
https://rumble.com/vt62k2-dr.-robert-malone-defeat-the-mandates-dc-january-23-2022.html

Dr. Robert Malone - Biomedical Ethics Matter: The Damage To Our Entire Medical System Is Profound
https://rumble.com/vt21ck-dr.-robert-malone-biomedical-ethics-matter-the-damage-to-our-entire-medical.html

Dr. Robert Malone: The Great Awakening
https://rumble.com/vsx332-dr.-robert-malone-the-great-awakening.html

Alex Berenson Ambushes Dr. Robert Malone On FoxNews
https://rumble.com/vsni14-alex-berenson-ambushes-dr.-robert-malone-on-foxnews.html

"This Is Premeditated Manslaughter Of Millions Of People Coordinated At The Highest Levels"
https://rumble.com/vsgwbm-this-is-premeditated-manslaughter-of-millions-of-people-coordinated-at-the-.html

MUST WATCH: Mass Formation Psychosis - Dr. Mattias Desmet, Dr. Robert Malone, Dr. Peter McCullough
https://rumble.com/vryeig-mass-formation-dr.-mattias-desmet-dr.-robert-malone-dr.-peter-mccullough.html

Indiana Life Insurance CEO - Deaths Are Up 40% Among People Ages 18-64!
https://rumble.com/vrv4lg-indiana-life-insurance-ceo-deaths-are-up-40-among-people-ages-18-64.html

MUST WATCH: Dr. Robert Malone On Joe Rogan - Complete 3-Hour Interview
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Dr. Robert Malone On Joe Rogan - Fact Checkers, Censorship, Corruption
https://rumble.com/vrqivc-dr.-robert-malone-on-joe-rogan-fact-checkers-censorship-corruption.html

Dr. Robert Malone On Joe Rogan - T Cell Suppression, Virus Activation, Cancer
https://rumble.com/vrri84-dr.-robert-malone-on-joe-rogan-t-cell-suppression-virus-activation-cancer.html

Dr. Robert Malone On Joe Rogan - Vaccine Side Effects & Natural Immunity
https://rumble.com/vrqhqi-dr.-robert-malone-on-joe-rogan-vaccine-side-effects-and-natural-immunity.html

Dr. Robert Malone: Healthy Children Should NOT Be Vaccinated For COVID-19
https://rumble.com/vqrrz4-dr.-robert-malone-healthy-children-should-not-be-vaccinated-for-covid-19.html

Dr. Robert Malone - Billions Of People Have Been Brainwashed & Don't Realize It
https://rumble.com/vqhgle-dr.-robert-malone-billions-of-people-have-been-brainwashed-and-dont-realize.html

Dr. Robert Malone: Doctors Are Being Hunted Down Right Now!
https://rumble.com/vpnuhy-dr.-robert-malone-doctors-are-being-hunted-down-right-now.html

Explosive! Dr. Robert Malone: They’re Rushing Into Killing Children
https://rumble.com/vp3tj8-explosive-dr.-robert-malone-theyre-rushing-into-killing-children.html

Dr. Robert Malone Reads The Global Covid Summit Declaration
https://rumble.com/vn1d5c-dr.-robert-malone-reads-the-global-covid-summit-declaration.html

Dr. Robert Malone: Effort Underway To Censor Negative Info About COVID-19 Vaccines
https://rumble.com/vkclzf-dr.-robert-malone-effort-underway-to-censor-negative-info-about-covid-19-va.html

Dr. Robert Malone: CDC Purposely UNDER-REPORTING & EDITING Adverse Affects Of COVID-19 Vaccines
https://rumble.com/vkckv7-dr.-robert-malone-cdc-purposely-under-reporting-and-editing-adverse-affects.html

Dr. Robert Malone Discusses Vaccine Risks After YouTube Deletes His Comments
https://rumble.com/vizmor-dr.-robert-malone-discusses-vaccine-risks-after-youtube-deletes-his-comment.html

Full Interview - COVID-19: Censorship, Treatments, Serious Short & Long Term Vaccine Issues
https://rumble.com/vif38l-covid-19-censorship-treatments-serious-short-and-long-term-vaccine-issues.html

Excerpt - Serious Short & Long Term Health Issues Associated With COVID-19 Vaccinations
https://rumble.com/viewq5-serious-short-and-long-term-health-issues-associated-with-covid-19-vaccinat.html

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COVID-19 Vaccination Stories, Side Effects & Healing
https://sunfellow.com/covid-19-vaccination-stories-side-effects-healing/

COVID-19 Vaccine Adverse Event Tracking System (VAERS)
https://sunfellow.com/covid-19-vaers/

COVID-19 Vaccine Bad Batches Reference Page
https://sunfellow.com/100-of-covid-19-vaccine-deaths-were-caused-by-just-5-of-the-batches/

COVID-19 & Antibody-Dependent Enhancement (ADE)
https://sunfellow.com/covid-19-antibody-dependent-enhancement-ade/

Covid-19 – Vaccine-Induced T Cell Suppression, Virus Activation, Cancer, Parkinson’s, Alzheimer’s
https://sunfellow.com/bhakdi-burkhardt-cole-hoffe/

COVID-19 Menstrual & Breast Milk Disruptions, Miscarriages, Infertility, Transmission (Shedding)
https://sunfellow.com/covid-19-menstrual-breast-milk-disruptions-miscarriages-infertility-transmission-shedding/

COVID-19 Magnetism, Graphene Oxide, UV Fluorescence
https://sunfellow.com/covid-19-magnetism-graphene-oxide-uv-fluorescence/

COVID-19 Testing, Face Masks, Vaccine Exemption Letters
https://sunfellow.com/covid-19-testing-face-masks-vaccine-exemption-letters/

COVID-19 Healing Resources
https://sunfellow.com/covid-19-healing-resources/

Censored, Sidelined And Villainized Doctors, Nurses, Health Care Workers Describe Their COVID-19 Experiences
https://sunfellow.com/censored-health-care-workers-describe-their-covid-experiences/

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Cole & Malone: The CDC Is Guilty Of Scientific Fraud! - Steve Bannon Interview

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Dr. Ryan Cole and Dr. Robert Malone believe the CDC is guilty of scientific fraud. How so? Dr. Malone appears on Steve Bannon's War Room to describe exactly what this means and encourage those who are working at the CDC to come clean as whistleblowers while they still can:

"There is going to come a time soon where there are legal ramifications . . . and these physicians and scientists at the CDC have a choice to make now; it's a time of choosing: It's a question of which side of the bar do you want to be on. Do you want to be a witness or do you want to be on the defense? That's where we are at. We now have a smoking gun about the CDC and let's not mince words: this meets the criteria of scientific fraud."

If you are a CDC insider and want to become a whistleblower, contact Senator Ron Johnson:

https://www.ronjohnson.senate.gov/whistleblower-email

Cole & Malone: The CDC Is Guilty Of Scientific Fraud! - Art Moore Interview
https://rumble.com/vvrfco-cole-and-malone-the-cdc-is-guilty-of-scientific-fraud-art-moore-interview.html

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Scientific Fraud and the CDC
These are the people entrusted with the truth
By Robert W Malone MD, MS
February 24, 2022

https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/scientific-fraud-and-the-cdc

https://www.wnd.com/2022/02/scientific-fraud-drs-robert-malone-ryan-cole-react-cdc-hiding-data/

Dr. Cole and I sat down with Art Moore in Washington State on Monday to talk about the CDC covering up data, scientific fraud and what comes next. The video is linked above. But for those who prefer to read, the full transcript of the conversation is below.

Note: the above link is not being allowed to be forwarded by T-mobile and probably other cell phone services. Evidently speaking about censorship and scientific fraud is considered too dangerous by our government.

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The conversation begins with:

Mr. Art Moore:

I'm Art Moore in Gig Harbor, Washington, here with Dr. Robert Malone, Dr. Ryan Cole. And we're here with parents and activists and lawmakers who are really concerned about this safety issue regarding the COVID vaccines. And we've talked about the CDC data that's on the VAERS database and the fact that it is in spite of accusations that it's not reliable.

It is giving us some alarming safety signals. But now we come to a blockbuster story. The New York Times has interviewed CDC officials who admit that they have data that goes beyond this VAERS data. They have granular data that is indicating how many people have been hospitalized deaths. Other data regarding the impact of these vaccines that they admit they've been hiding and hiding because they're concerned about vaccine hesitancy.

Dr. Cole, what's your reaction to that?

Dr. Ryan Cole

Well, as an ethical physician who took oaths to the human race, this is incredibly disturbing. These are the people that are entrusted to share with us the truth, to know that they're withholding safety data signals all in the name of trying to prevent a hesitancy over something experimental that's being used not only on adults, but trying to push this forward on children with no long term safety record.

We can't advance the clock and know what the long term outcomes are. We now to know that they know that there are problems and they're withholding it from the American people, that is scientific fraud.

Dr. Robert Malone

I completely concur. So I'm just going to read the title and a couple of clips from this blockbuster New York Times piece. And by the way, what I find fascinating is The New York Times is trying to normalize what has been going on at the CDC. They're trying to make it sound like it's acceptable practice. And I strongly concur with Ryan.

This meets the criteria of scientific fraud. Withholding data is scientific fraud. So reading from the title, “The CDC isn't publishing large portions of the COVID data it collects”. New York Times February 21st 2022 just an amazing title. Read that again. “CDC is not publishing large portions of the COVID data it collects.” Then there's a quote from Samuel Scarpino, managing director of the Pathogen Surveillance at the Rockefeller Foundation's Pandemic Prevention Institute. This is somebody who is deeply in the non-governmental sector, speaking on behalf basically of the scientists at the CDC that have failed to disclose this up till now. Here's what he says. Direct quote, "The CDC is a political organization as much as it is a public health organization." I mean, that is totally inconsistent with their charter. He's speaking the truth of the situation, and that's where we're at, the CDC.

He is saying the the CDC is overtly functioning as a political arm of the executive branch as opposed to serving its mandate from Congress. To protect the health and collect the information. In this, as the Centers for Disease Control and Surveillance that is their mission. This guy, Samuel Scarpino, goes on to say, “The steps that it takes to get something like this released are often well outside of the control of many of the scientists who work at the CDC”. Now think that quote through.

Basically a non-governmental spokesperson for the official public health scientific community is throwing Rochelle Walensky, the CDC director, under the bus. What he is saying, if you read think through his words is that the governmental leadership of the CDC has stifled CDC scientists and preventing them from disclosing key information to the public about the risks of the vaccine.

That is stunning.

Art Moore

Dr. Alan, you're well connected. I imagine, you know, many of these scientists, these scientists who are working with the CDC or advise or consult the CDC tell us just from your your experience and your standpoint what this really means Okay.

Dr. Robert Malone

I'm going to speculate because that's what you're asking me to do is kind of give you a sense of what I infer. I mean, right now, nobody's talking to me from inside the government for some reason -except my buddies at the DOD. And even that's a little limited. The CDC staff is a bureaucracy; the physicians and medical scientists sit underneath a political operation.

And for them, you know, this is their paycheck. They are focused on security. Otherwise they wouldn't work for the government at 80% of market rate. They often find themselves in positions where they're not able to really say what they're seeing and what they're experiencing. They're often very frustrated, in my experience, by having to operate underneath this political leadership organization.

And what we've got here is that they're not having the courage, unlike what folks like Ryan and I are doing. We're sticking our careers online. They haven't had the courage to come out and say, “No. This is not right.”

What's going on? So it appears that what they're doing is using a surrogate at the Rockefeller Foundation, an NGO, non non-governmental organization, to speak what they are observing and what they don't have the courage to speak about.

It's time, in my opinion, for the scientists and physicians of the CDC to come clean. It's way past time. But that's what seems to be happening is they have been undercover, observing these things and haven't had the courage to speak out about it. And as the narrative is crumbling, this a bunch of them apparently have gone to the press anonymously, because there's nobody cited on record here.

Multiple scientists are being quoted as sources by the New York Times, but they're all on background. You know what that means? None of them are having the courage to stick their necks out. And they're using a surrogate at the Rockefeller Foundation to to be their spokesperson.

And they got a problem because now they're work, their records, their careers are on the line because it's coming out that what we have is suppression of key public health information for political purpose and they may well have to confront legal consequences at some point in time.

Art Moore

I think I've been listening to you health care scientists over the last couple of days talk about what you're seeing. And so Dr. Cole in your lab and Dr. Malone, you have a big picture view of really horrific signs that there are many people who not only are being severely injured in these vaccines, but dying. And so I wonder, Dr. Cole, just from the standpoint of a physician, you went into this profession because you wanted to help people, and it just seemed that something horrible a scenario is is emerging that that could be beyond comprehension.

What's your sense of what's happening now?

Dr. Ryan Cole

Thank you. And that is the moral and ethical responsibility in all of this. I went into medicine to be a healer, to take care of people. And when I started seeing these signals early on, I knew right away I have one thing and one thing only to do. And that's to tell the truth, whether it's convenient or inconvenient, you have to follow the truth where it goes.

So these players within the CDC, within government agencies, if they see that signal, instead of protecting their career or being worried about what's going to happen to me if I say something, what about the human being that's going to be harmed and damaged by you not saying something? So we as physicians and scientists have one responsibility only, and that's the health and wellness of humanity, no matter the inconvenient cost of telling that truth.

So in a scenario like this, yes, in the lab I started seeing the clotting damage. Yes. I started seeing upticks in autoimmune disease. Yes, I started seeing an uptick in cancers. Did I sound the alarm? You bet I did. And what did I hear from most of my colleagues? Crickets.

Dr. Robert Malone

I'd like to amplify on that. We both come from a background of pathology. I taught pathology at the medical school level for well over a decade, and the historic role of pathologists in the medical profession is basically quality control. We're the final arbiters of truth, and it may be one of the reasons why we've been comfortable speaking out is because that is the nature of our discipline.

That is the historic nature of the role of pathology in medicine is to be the final arbiters of truth. That's what we do. That's what pathologists are about.

Dr. Ryan Cole

Yeah, we don't cause the disease. We're the reporters at the scene of the crash. And when we see the crash, we report on the crash. And very often in medicine, the first person to observe there's a difference in the pattern. And the signal here is the pathologist saying, I'm seeing something new. And then you sound the alarm and you get other colleagues to look at that same signal.

Are they seeing that signal as well?

Art Moore

"Yeah. So when I think back, what I remember is the rebuttal is, “well, you know, we don't have the studies." This is anecdotal.” bBut what you're saying is there's a process. You begin with anecdotal and then you move towards studies.

Dr. Robert Malone

And I wouldn't even say anecdotal, anecdotal as a pejorative.

Dr. Ryan Cole

I would say it's the early signal.

Dr. Robert Malone

Bingo. And when you hear about signal detection.

Dr. Ryan Cole

And worse, we detect that signal and then the signal is starting to amplify because now when we go to conferences and we talk to say, I talked to a surgical oncologist surgeon last night, he's saying he has a young gastric cancer patient, who is a 28 year old, an esophageal cancer who is 31 year old. A radiologist called me yesterday from a multi-center unit, with another 31 year old person dead - within a couple of weeks of their shots. And so when you see these unusual signals and then it gets amplified every time you get another colleague saying thank you for speaking up. “I'm seeing the same signal.” “I'm seeing the same signal.” Now you have an overwhelming amount of evidence that you can call and draw on scientifically.

Dr. Robert Malone

What happens a lot of times is the problem is pattern recognition.

Dr. Ryan Cole

Yes.

Dr. Robert Malone

And pattern recognition is really tough when you're at the tip of the spear because you have no preceding metaphor. And once somebody like Ryan speaks out and saying, says, things like, I've seen signs of these viral diseases cropping up. It's sounds and looks like immunosuppression. I'm seeing signs of unusual cancers cropping up that fits with the immunosuppression” then we're starting to build a pattern.

Okay. And then we say to our colleagues, we're observing this pattern. Are you seeing it also? And when that starts coming back, from people like oncologists and surgeons, then, then then we're starting to say this is looking a little alarming. And it's time to really dig in. What happens that I've seen is once those those ideas, that initial pattern recognition is gone out there, then other people are often able to perceive things that before they might have noticed subconsciously, but they not might not have been aware of.

And that's how medicine progresses.

Dr. Ryan Cole

Now, they may have had a subconscious blind spot, but when you realize that that pattern is clicking upward, they open their eyes and say, I am seeing that. And then the frustration is knowing that we have large data gather gathering agencies for the which we pay with our tax dollars, who say nothing. I pay, we all pay. And then public information coming out saying, oh, we've been seeing those patterns, but we feel like you don't need the whole truth because we need to hide those things.

Dr. Robert Malone

This has been what's gone on all the way through. With Tony Fauci talking about, “well, I told them that you would be reach herd immunity at 70% vaccination because “I thought that's what they could handle and then oh it's 80%”. If you run the calculations, even with Delta it was 140% vaccine coverage to get to herd immunity.

In other words you can't achieve herd immunity when you run the calculations. This is what what we've seen. And we saw this lying really early on - as “the noble lie.” That's what we've been dealing with all the way through and this is just the latest embodiment of the government feeling like the way they need to manage us is with the noble lie of spoon feeding us what they think we can accept, not giving us truth.

Art Moore

The truth is that because they went all in on the vaccines, as if there's no other way to treat this. And it's just easy. One, fix the vaccines. Is that why they're defending? And also, you know, why they're not why they're suppressing the trigger?

Dr. Robert Malone

This gets into the the dangerous territory of thinking that we can get inside of Rochelle's and Tony's head.

Dr. Ryan Cole

It's always hard to answer somebody else's “why?” I can observe data and report data, and my job in medicine is always to follow that data, whether convenient or not, the data tells the truth. If you have the full data, so when full data is being withheld, then the data becomes a partial lie.

To Dr. Malone's point saying, “well, you're not prepared for the truth or we know better.” This is paternalistic and paternalistic. “You're just little children” is really an improper way to treat patients. These agencies are saying “we let you know what truth you're allowed to have or not.” And then you get policymakers, you get governors, you get school boards, saying, well, our policy will be this based on this.

Dr. Robert Malone

You get medical licensing boards.

Dr. Ryan Cole

Coming after people like you and I.

Dr. Robert Malone

Who (medical licensing boards) are often appointed by politicos coming after us, trying to take our license because we've been speaking truth. Because as pathologists, we are trained folk who are able to pick out signal from noise. And we've done it earlier and we haven't been constrained in speaking the truth that we see. The problem is then a lot of the other docs that aren't trained in this kind of signal detection world and only hear the messaging from the government.

Pathologists apply information in science to medicine daily. We're the folks that have to give that truth to them (other doctors). So they know how to manage things clinically. But what's happened is that everybody has assumed that the CDC and the NIH are speaking truth, and as a consequence, they felt justified in attacking us for observing these signals giving these warnings.

And we've had to bear the brunt. And as opposed to our esteemed colleagues inside the government at the CDC, who have failed to disclose what they're observing, we've been the ones at the tip of the spear, taking it from the press, from our licensing boards. And now we find out that, in fact, we're being validated that what we have observed is been hidden from the regular the general community.

And that's the the key point that it bothers me here is that the CDC has a responsibility to communicate accurate information. It represents that it's doing so, and it's communicating both to the general public and to the medical community. And they are now admitting through this New York Times article, multiple sources, that they've been lying to the medical community and that is scientific fraud.

That is the definition, withholding data, scientific data, medical data - that is fraud.

Art Moore

So it sounds essentially like what the government is saying to us non-scientists is you can't handle the truth. Correct?

Dr. Robert Malone

Precisely. It couldn't be any more overt.

Dr. Ryan Cole

And with an article like this coming out, coming out now, we should invite our colleagues who aren’t seeing what they've been told to stand up and say it. They should wake up.

Dr. Robert Malone

They must.

Dr. Ryan Cole

Say it. It is an ethical responsibility to humanity to do so.

Art Moore

And you've been doing that for some time, trying to to wake up and encourage your colleagues from all across this nation.

Dr. Robert Malone

In the world.

Art Moore

And we've heard numbers like there are maybe 500 physicians in America who are awake and nobody can know for sure, but that's a handful or I just a small portion of the physicians here. Tell me, though.

Dr. Robert Malone

I think that was a Pierre Kory quote, and that was four months ago. Okay. But the numbers have been building.

Art Moore

Yeah. What are you seeing?

Dr. Robert Malone

I'm getting calls all the time. You're getting calls. People are coming out of the woodwork. They're hearing this messaging. It is not about us. We are really adamant this is not about us. It's about you and the community and our fellow physicians. But remember, that we're not just two. We represent an organization, the global COVID Summit Group that is over 17,000 physicians and medical scientists from all over the world.

We have all been speaking. But the problem is that there's a concerted effort to censor us and prevent us from speaking. You know, I've been de-platformed on LinkedIn and Twitter. There's all the blowback over the Joe Rogan podcast, a concerted effort in mainstream media. We're so grateful for the at least the conservative media has been willing to talk to us.

But on there has been a concerted effort to keep key information from physicians, scientists and the general public. And now it's out in the open.

Art Moore

And it really begins to make a lot more sense when you look at this New York Times article and just the admission of the direct connection between information and worrying that people will get the vaccine, that seems pretty simple. Yeah. Now, this is going to be a huge issue that I know you two will be talking about in the days to come.

But if we could just briefly move to another issue so back in December, Dr. Malone, you were talking about the Omicron variant. That this wave will have a silver lining. That Omicron itself could act kind of like a natural vaccine. And now just in the last few days, we hear Bill Gates is on video saying, sadly, it seems that Omicron is acting like a natural vaccine.

Dr. Robert Malone

Bill Gates has bragged about how much money he's made off of this outbreak. He made strategic investments based on his situational awareness and somehow had foreshadowing that something like this was coming and placed his financial bets. He's made a lot of money on this.

So there's this odd use of language I think is kind of a Freudian slip. It's us seeing into his mind. And, you know, what it reveals is that this gentleman has purported to be an advocate for humanity, the champion of global health, is working another agenda. Why else would he say, “sadly”, that this natural phenomena of Omnicom is acting as a natural vaccine and has virtually vaccinated the entire world to generate mucosal immunity. Exactly what I predicted. If anybody wants to fact check me, they all I got to do is look up the Laura Ingram clips from before Christmas.

Frankly I went out line on that prediction. I was a little worried that I was going a little too far. But the thing about being a professional and doing this for a living for decades is it gives you a certain amount of confidence in reading the data and as a virologist and a vaccinologist, I knew when I heard the data coming out of South Africa that this looked like it could play out in a good way. When I looked at how the virus had evolved to infect upper airways. So I said that this looked like a Christmas present.

And now we've got Bill Gates confirming it, in his own interesting way, which which reveals his own personal agenda. But I again, I really don't like to get into people's heads. I'm not a psychiatrist. Yeah, but it's a fascinating statement.

Art Moore

Yeah. Just one thing really quickly to add, I think to that a Dr. Cole, you've been talking about natural immunity and its superiority. The studies show us over vaccine immunity. So when we talk about Omicron being like a natural vaccine, that's pretty good news.

Dr. Ryan Cole

That's fantastic news. Brownstone Institute has 150 articles showing how natural immunity is far superior to vaccine immunity. And we've known this for a long time. Omicron is, to Dr. Malone's point, even even more so that added blessing to humanity as this virus has changed and is our new “Funny Uncle” Variant. It is less deadly than earlier variants but spreads more readily. Natural immunity has provided that broad natural immunity. COVID recovered immunity has mucosal immunity. Now when it comes into your body, your body says, “Hey, I remember that I can fight that off.” So yeah, it's a blessing to humanity. We've been saying this for a long time. And now the data is supporting that.

Dr. Robert Malone

There is one nuance in the current data that that is a little worrisome. And I'm not comfortable that it is fully verified yet. But the signal is there and it's very worrisome to many of us.

There is data from all over the world coming direct from government databases suggesting that the risk of the current infection and disease is higher in people that have been previously vaccinated. And it's a function of the number of doses. So this gets to a whole issue of whether it makes a lot of sense to keep boosting people, because this is it.

The risk of enhanced disease and infection is still here. That is something the FDA worried about in their very first emergency use authorization documents. They told the pharmaceutical industry that they had to follow this issue and analyze whether or not it was happening. Pharma decided not to do that, even though the FDA recommended it. And the FDA didn't force them to do it.

And now we're seeing the signal. So that's the thing that I think got both of us a little bit worried is these signs exist and the concern is that we may see future variants. We have to be very vigilant right now. But this knee jerk reaction to just do more vaccination has significant risk for making things worse rather than better.

Dr. Ryan Cole

And we knew this historically with the trials of prior coronavirus vaccines, which all failed for pathologic and immunologic reasons. And we know the history of this family of viruses. So kind of to your original question, was a vaccine strategy the prudent thing to do well, in retrospect and to Dr. Malone's point that we know that more doses doesn't seem to be helping, it rather seems to be having a detrimental effect on those who have had more doses in terms of acquisition of future variants and adverse outcomes with those variants.

So our concern is from a pattern point of view that and that the CDC is hiding the data. They know that this is an issue and the point of this conversation.

Dr. Robert Malone

Well, and then there's then there's this chief immunologist in Israel, which is ground zero for rolling out the Pfizer vaccine with the extra booster. You talked about that.

Dr. Ryan Cole

This is key. Dr. Cohen, the chief immunologist of Israel, who created their vaccine roll out program. Not they have given shot after shot and booster with another booster. Dr. Cohen now says, “look we've made mistakes. We thought this was going to be better than it was with these shots. That there would be no more passports, no more boosters. It is not working.”

If you want to see where diseases going off the charts, look at where they've received a third and a fourth booster that's Israel.

So their chief immunologist is saying “stop, we have to stop.” Of course the media attacked him for saying it but he has the data and the science saying this is prudent time to stop.

Dr. Robert Malone

And if I can't know there's another buried lead in that bill Gates interview. He acknowledges that they blew it by suppressing early treatment and drug alternatives and just focusing on the vaccines. It's a fascinating interview. And that's another message that our group has been putting out through Dr. Peter McCullough and Dr. Dr. Zelenko and so many other doctors - that early treatment saves lives.

And now we got Bill Gates, the champion of vaccines, acknowledging that the public health community worldwide blew it by suppressing early treatment. And by the way, one of the ways they've suppressed it is through this propaganda campaign in the press that we've seen both on hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin early treatment, They have blocked papers about early treatment in the scientific literature, and most scientific journals requiring that there be these little statements genuflecting to the efficacy of the vaccine if you want to publish anything.

But now the data is coming out anyway.

Art Moore

Is that in line with this whole idea of the vaccines or the way to do this? And if you have alternative treatments, I understand you can't get emergency use authorization because that's one of the criteria.

Dr. Robert Malone

There is that. The problem with that argument is that I tested that directly with the CDC and asked them to get back to me. And they did. And basically, they said yeah, that's the way the law reads. But they said to me directly, they don't care they're going to do whatever they want to do. They disregarded the actual language of the emergency use authorization.

So they didn't really see that as an obstacle. That gets to this whole point of what is functionally under this emergency declaration that has just been reactivated by the Biden administration. They're able to suspend law. At least they believe that they are. They believe that they're able to circumvent the Constitution and the statutes enacted by Congress, including the bioethics statutes that we call the common rule.

That has been one of the things that's upset me the most all the way through this is the government is acting in a lawless fashion, and they believe they have the right to do it because of this emergency declaration, which in our opinion is no longer valid. There is no medical emergency here. So if there's any emergency, it's that the truckers are rolling on DC that's what's got them really worried.

Dr. Ryan Cole

There is no medical emergency now that Omicron is here, acting as a blessing for humanity. We know we have early treatments. We know how to stop the disease and treat the disease. So to declare that there's a medical emergency is pure governmental fraud. We as physicians and tens of thousands of physicians know that this no that that declaration of emergency is fraudulent.

So they are violating constitutional principles and the law. We know the CDC is lying to us. Now, who else was lying to us? This is the frustration in all of this, is that we are the scientists. We see the disease. We know what's happening. The truth needs to be told that there is no emergency. The emergency powers need to end yesterday.

And we support those who use their constitutional rights to protest for freedom. We are all truckers now.

Dr. Robert Malone

Well put.

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"There is a temporal (time) statistical correlation between regional vaccine uptake and spikes in excess all cause mortality in the 60+ cohort of vaccine recipients . . . I think his study may be one of the most important to become available this year, because the correlation linking the vaccines and excess mortality in the tested (60+ year) cohorts appears to be extremely strong..."

"I stand as someone who has intimate, detailed knowledge of the technology and its risks and benefits, the nature of the formulations, the role of the pseudouridine, all of those things. It's my opinion and that of the organization that I represent, that the data are now sufficiently clear that, in our opinion, the ongoing campaign for vaccination is no longer warranted . . . And furthermore, it's our opinion that early (multi-drug) treatment saves lives; that we now have a broad spectrum of early treatment options. All of the press attacks about ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine, even if you set all those aside, there are plenty of other agents: The novel agents, monoclonal antibodies, many things."

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Data Doesn't Lie: mRNA-Vaccines And Correlation To All-Cause Mortality

Marlies Dekkers speaks with with Drs. Robert Malone and Theo Schetters
By Dr. Robert Malone
August 2, 2022

https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/data-doesnt-lie-mrna-vaccines-and

During my recent travel to Holland, Marlies Dekkers of the De Nieuwe Wereld Podcast interviewed Dr. Theo Schetters and myself. That video, made for a Dutch audience, is currently up (for now) on youtube, but it unlikely to remain on that platform. Therefore, I have also downloaded and posted it here because I believe that the subject matter which Theo and I covered in this interview is important. The data and analysis which Theo discloses is quite likely to be disregarded by corporate media, and also likely to be censored by the big tech giants Meta/Facebook, Google/Alphabet, and Twitter. But that does not mean that it does not deserve to be disclosed and discussed. Theo is a very serious, well trained, responsible virologist, immunologist and vaccine expert. He highly respected in the Netherlands, and has had the courage required to seek AND report truth during these difficult times.

I have taken excepts from the podcast transcript (leaving comments intact) from the last portion of the interview below.

Background: Dr. Theo Schetters obtained a PhD in Medicine from Nijmegen University in the Netherlands, and received a visiting scientist award from the Royal Society (London) to work on malaria immunology at the National Institute for Medical Research in Mill Hill, London (UK). From 1988 to 2014 he worked at Intervet International (Boxmeer, The Netherlands) where he developed a vaccine against coccidiosis in chickens (Nobilis® Cox ATM) and a vaccine against Babesia infections in dogs (Nobivac® Piro). He is inventor of an improved vaccine formulation against diseases associated with Rhipicephalus ticks. Presently, he is director of ProtActivity, a company that focuses on vaccine development against ticks and tick-borne protozoal infections. In 2004 he received the Medal of Honour of the Faculty of Pharmacy, University of Montpellier 1 in France and was bestowed Professeur Invité as recognition for his contribution to longstanding collaborative research with the Laboratory of Cellular and Molecular Biology of the University (head Prof. Andre Gorenflot). He is an editorial board member of “Veterinary Parasitology, Trials in Vaccinology” (Elseviers Science Publishers) and “Parasitology” (Cambridge University Press).

Dr. Schetters is an exceptional, gifted, and highly respected vaccinologist - let us hope his warnings will not be ignored by his government and world health leaders.

This is a long interview. Therefore, I have edited the transcript below to focus on his latest study, which statistically tests the possibility of correlation of the booster vaccine campaigns (in the 60+ year cohort) in the Netherlands to excess all-cause mortality. The hypothesis basically being that there is a temporal (time) statistical correlation between regional vaccine uptake and spikes in excess all cause mortality in the 60+ cohort of vaccine recipients. The government of the Netherlands has employed a strategy of deploying “booster” doses of the genetic vaccines as regional vaccination waves, which provides an opportunity to examine possible correlations after sorting data by time and region. This enables a form of internal controls in the data analysis approach, which can be used to increase the power of the analysis. Theo has now sent that data to the Government of Holland. I think his study may be one of the most important to become available this year, because the correlation linking the vaccines and excess mortality in the tested (60+ year) cohorts appears to be extremely strong.

I look forward to these results being submitted, peer reviewed and published in a peer reviewed journal, although I am wary that the political implications of his findings may make it difficult to find a journal editor willing to stand up to the likely political backlash. In the video and the transcripts, Theo provides a taste of the data that he is now sitting on. If these data and analyses withstand further scrutiny, as I think they will, the findings will either force policy changes or will further validate the compromise of the independence and integrity of global public health policymaking processes and decision makers.

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Excepts from Transcript (because of accent/second language issues, the transcript is not 100% perfect, please forgive any blips with sentence structure and grammar)...

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Dr. Theo Schetters: The thing that we knew from the beginning, was that COVID (SARS-CoV-2) was a very mutating virus. So I always said, it's like you run with your syringe behind the virus, that's running away from you. And so you can never keep up with the mutations. And that is actually that's what we see now.

So also the Netherlands, the National Institute of Health has said that people that have been vaccinated twice with the original vaccine, that at this moment there is zero protection anymore. So that's official result, that on the efficacy side (zero protection).

Then on the safety side, we also see problems. That's the most difficult part because people (the government) do not want to talk about the safety. There's so many people that contact me because in the Netherlands, I'm some sort of famous. So I get emails and phone calls of people who have had very bad experiences after vaccination.

And the sad thing is that, although these people obeyed the rules of the government and trusted them, now that they have these terrible side effects, the government doesn't want to listen. You know, they are just so neglected. We don't talk about it. And that's the situation at the moment.

I sometimes make the comparison that there was a murder and then the body was thrown into the lake. And after a certain time that body surfaces, and this is what we see happening now, and that's a very difficult, very difficult story.

These vaccines are here on the market. These companies earn an awful lot of money. Why aren't these companies not doing the research that we ask for? Because now, if we talk about is there any risk that you get changing your DNA because of this technology, that research is being done by academics, by research groups who do it on Friday afternoons, because nobody wants them to do it (they are not paid to do it). And that's what now happens. When will all these companies have the money and the means and everything to do that?

Dr. Robert Malone: … I've seen it all. The rule in drug development is that if you're in the pharmaceutical industry, you never ask any question that you aren't forced to ask because you may get an answer that you don't like.

Dr. Theo Schetters: Exactly, yeah.

Dr. Robert Malone: And this is explicit. The reason why the pharmaceutical companies are not doing it is it's not in their financial interest to do so. And the regulators have failed in requiring, in doing their job, in requiring that FDA, EMA, fill in the blank. Okay? The global regulatory community has failed to do its job of insisting on the correct application of the guidance in the international committee on harmonization and the EMA and FDA regs to insist that the pharmaceutical industry does its job. That's how that's ecosystem works. Pharma will not do those studies. And governments will not fund those studies unless there is a forcing function that says you will do those studies because we have all agreed, and we have, all of the regulations and documentation say that these things should have been done.

Dr. Theo Schetters: Yeah, exactly.

Dr. Robert Malone: There was a conscious decision to not force the pharmaceutical companies to do the things that the regulations require, that we've all agreed upon over decades...

Dr. Theo Schetters: Just thrown away.

Dr. Theo Schetters: So how are we going to bring this message to the public? Most of the people are vaccinated in the Netherlands. It's something like 75%. So you cannot freak them out by saying you have something in your body that's going to be the end of your life. No, because that's what I'm trying to say. In all fairness, it (the probability of death attributable to vaccine acceptance) isn't that strong.

We know that it's not like that everybody is dying within a year after you've been vaccinated, but a certain percentage of the people have big problems with this. And the point is that I think we have to be open and fair about this. Not only because of the Corona vaccines, but because what we see happening is that this technology is being sort of introduced as, now we've used it in Corona, it's accepted. Everybody knows that. mRNA vaccines, you know?

Dr. Robert Malone: Influenza. Monkeypox (mRNA vaccines are coming)

Dr. Theo Schetters: Exactly. So, and that's what we are fighting against, because we say this technology is not mature and maybe it can do something in the future, but we are certainly not at the point now to develop all these other vaccines or variants, like an Omicron variant Corona vaccine with the same technology known, because you didn't solve that problem. And we have that problem. We have a problem of people dying after vaccination. And getting sick.

Dr. Robert Malo...: Including the children.

Dr. Theo Schetters: Yeah.

Dr. Robert Malone: And having reproductive health consequences.

Dr. Theo Schetters: Yes.

Marlies Dekkers: So what do we now know then about the side effects? So this is the future. Sounds horrible to me. But in the now, what can people be aware of? What kind of complaints that they can have or what kind of that they now listen to this and think 'what?', it's connected perhaps to the vaccine.

Dr. Theo Schetters: Yeah. Well, and that's the problem with this technology because this mRNA travels through your body because of the formulations that they used.

Dr. Robert Malo...: Which physicians were told was not the case.

Marlies Dekkers: No, it should stay in the arm.

Dr. Theo Schetters: So it potentially affects all organs. And that's what the medical doctors now see, they see all sorts of symptoms that they do not know what it is. And because the adverse effects are so not just single one adverse effect, but can be anything, they surface very difficult to a statistical level. And that's why we do analysis on all cause mortality, because say, okay, and if we do not know what is exactly related to vaccination, of course, the coagulation problems, myocarditis, we know that, but there are many more things happening at the moment. And so that's why we look at all cause mortality, and in the Netherlands now it's very clear that there is a good correlation between the number of vaccinations that are given to people and the number of people that die within a week after that. So let's say in this week we gave 10,000 vaccinations. Then in this week, we have something like 125 excess in death in that week (My note - that equals 800 deaths per 100,000 or 1/800 in the 60+ cohort).

Marlies Dekkers: And what kind of data then you use?

Dr. Theo Schetters: I use the data from the Central Bureau of Statistics and of our National Institute of Health. And the point is that although they report that every week, they do not report the graphs that we make. So what they do is they show the cumulative buildup of the people, the number of people that have received the vaccination, the fourth injection. So then you see a curve that goes up. You do not see the change per week, but if you calculate a change per week and you then take the figures from the Central Bureau of Statistics, where they present you the excess mortality that follows the same dynamics, the same.

Marlies Dekkers: So if you have more vaccines in that week, then you also have more excess death.

Dr. Theo Schetters: Exactly. Yes.

Marlies Dekkers: If you have less vaccines in that week, you have less...

Dr. Theo Schetters: Fewer deaths.

Marlies Dekkers: I got goosebumps.

Dr. Theo Schetters: Yeah. And the point is, of course, we do not get the real, what we call the granular data, which means that we do not have this from person by person. These are group type figures. So that group received that number of vaccines. And in that age group, you see this number of excess mortality. But we do not know whether this is really correlated one by one. And so that's why we asked for more data, because Ronald Meza said - Ronald Meza is a professor in statistics and we've discussed it here and said, okay, give us those data within a week.

We know what's happening. Simple. But we can't get the (granular) data. So that leaves us with a correlation, with an observation. But I think, by now, it's getting so strong that at least, if you talk about precautionary measures- that's the way they sold the vaccines, actually, they sold them as precautionary measures. So to keep us safe. Then I would say, I use the same argument now. If I see these correlations, although I cannot prove causality at the moment, from a precautionary measure, you should say let's stop this.

Dr. Robert Malone: So all-cause mortality is the ultimate indicator for things that we didn't expect. And that's why we always have to have it in clinical research. And yet once again, like so many other things, we have disregarded the learning of decades and denied the importance of all-cause mortality.

Dr. Theo Schetters: Yeah. So what we've done is we have written a registered letter to the director of our Institute of Health and presenting the results and expressing my concerns. And just with the question, from a precautionary point of view, please reconsider vaccination strategy because I think this is a real warning. And so it's not that everybody dies. Actually I do a rough calculation it's 1 in 800, but then again, but I mean, these are then especially...

Dr. Robert Malone: 1 in 800 is a pretty big number.

Marlies Dekkers: It's a pretty big number.

Dr. Robert Malone: The myocarditis incidence now is publicly acknowledged by some governments as 1 in 5,000.

Dr. Theo Schetters: Yeah, I know. And so when I talk about, of course, the (booster) vaccination campaign that's now going on, that's the nice thing in the Netherlands it's done in campaign. So if you have a danger signal that comes easier to the surface…with a ... time window, so you can easily...

Marlies Dekkers: ...follow it up.

Dr. Theo Schetters: (The booster) That's given only to people of 60 plus age. Yeah? So that maybe explains why you have a relatively high number, because you also have the very old who are (dying in higher numbers from the vaccine).

Dr. Robert Malone: So this is crucial, and this was something that was pulled out of the early data at least a year ago is, and it was one of the logic flaws that I had made and others had made, we criticized the CDC and these other public entities for not stratifying the risk of the virus, meaning the truth is that virtually all of the risk for death of the virus is isolated in a very small age window of really 65 and above.

I wrote op-eds with Peter Navarro saying we should focus our vaccination just on these people that need it most and let the rest of the population be more like what Sweden eventually did, and acquire natural immunity and save the vaccine rather than driving the evolution of vaccine escape mutants for these people that needed it most.

And then the data came out that not only is the risk of the virus stratified by age, but the risk of the vaccine is stratified by age. And when you do that age stratification analysis, which is what is normally done, but has been hidden from us, then you find that the adverse events also cluster in these people that are aged, that have underlying conditions. And that sounds like, from what I'm learning from you, is that this excess mortality signal that you're detecting that correlates with the inoculation campaigns may be stratified also by age. And that would be entirely consistent with all the other data.

Dr. Theo Schetters: Which is true. So if I break it up in three age groups, then you see that the most of the mortality is in the plus 80.

Dr. Robert Malone: Which is unfortunate because they're the ones that need it the most.

Dr. Theo Schetters: Exactly.

Dr. Robert Malone: But we cannot look away from the truth,

Dr. Theo Schetters: But, Robert, at this point of time, do they still need vaccination? Because we talk about Omicron, we talk about a good level of herd immunity here. And so what is the risk now for the people of those ages?

Dr. Robert Malone: Which is why (among so among other things that I represent) I stand as the President of the International Association of Physicians and Medical Scientists. So we're 17,000 that are only physicians and medical scientists, all verified, no nurses, not because we don't like nurses, but it has to do with the positioning with the press and messaging. So that's the basis for our organization.

Months ago, we came out with a press conference in a clear unequivocal statement that one can find at www.globalcovidsummit.org, where we made a clear, unambiguous statement. In our opinion, as an organization, these vaccines should be withdrawn. They are no longer justified on a risk-benefit ratio. And as the person who is responsible for the genesis of this technology, I'm often criticized. Didn't I realize what I was doing? And there's no way for me to have known that the normal standards for regulatory development and testing and clinical would be circumvented.

But I stand as someone who has intimate, detailed knowledge of the technology and its risks and benefits, the nature of the formulations, the role of the pseudouridine, all of those things.

It's my opinion and that of the organization that I represent, that the data are now sufficiently clear that, in our opinion, the ongoing campaign for vaccination is no longer warranted.

Dr. Theo Schetters: I agree.

Dr. Robert Malone: And furthermore, it's our opinion that early (multi-drug) treatment saves lives. That we now have a broad spectrum of early treatment options. All of the press attacks about ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine. Even if you set all those aside, there are plenty of other agents. The novel agents, monoclonal antibodies. Many things. What matters is that these... our elders, our high-risk individuals have immediate access to therapeutics.

Dr. Theo Schetters: Exactly.

Dr. Robert Malone: If they develop symptoms. Just like the President. Just like Tony Fauci. The same standard should apply to any of our high-risk individuals. But likewise, we should not continue with this 'everything deserves the same hammer'.

Marlies Dekkers: One size fits all.

Dr. Robert Malone: Such as Paxlovid, with which a recent Science magazine op-ed clearly outlines that this protease inhibitor strategy against the main protease, which is the mechanism of Paxlovid, is highly susceptible to viral evolutionary escape.

Dr. Theo Schetters: Drug escape.

Dr. Robert Malone: And we are observing that. And it was a known risk with protease inhibitors. It is a known risk with HIV protease inhibitors. We know we know all of this science. I sat on the committee at NIH, the Foundation for the NIH called the ACTIV Committee, during the time when these drugs were being tested, the ACTIV trials. And it was explicitly acknowledged at that time that this single agent strategy was a total setup for evolutionary escape of the virus. You know this as a virologist. And what that means is not that we should not use the drugs as single agents.

Dr. Theo Schetters: No, but in combination.

Dr. Robert Malone: We should use them in combination and we should use them selectively for the people that need the most. And we have Pfizer, the manufacturer, who halted their clinical trials for Paxlovid in the normal risk individuals because it wasn't working. It was not effective in people of average risk. Okay? So we have multiple lines of evidence that one should not just blindly use this drug every time somebody gets infected, we need to use these things wisely.

Dr. Theo Schetters: Yes. Like you have to do with vaccines.

Dr. Robert Malone: Just so.

Marlies Dekkers: Okay. Thank you both enormously. I think it was a very learning conversation for me. It was. And thank you for your time and thank you for coming to the Netherlands.

Dr. Robert Malone: My pleasure, and thank you for the opportunity to be here and learn from all of you. And I am so grateful to learn of your courage and your work. I certainly empathize with the academic backlash and the corporate media backlash and the censorship and propaganda and defamation and gas lighting that so many of us have experienced, but in the face of all that you continue to be courageous. And I thank you for that. I honor you.

Dr. Theo Schetters: Thank you, Robert. That's mutual the same. You are an inspiration for a lot of us.

Dr. Theo Schetters: Yes, indeed.

Marlies Dekkers: Thank you both.

Dr. Theo Schetters: Thank you very much.

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Dr. Robert Malone on Substack
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Dr. Robert Malone on Telegram
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https://rumble.com/v1ec257-dr.-robert-malone-corporate-capture-the-truth-about-the-biopharmaceutical-i.html

Dr. Robert Malone: Peter Marx & The FDA Are Committing Fraud (Includes Alt Ways To Treat COVID)
https://rumble.com/v1e83zz-dr.-robert-malone-peter-marx-and-the-fda-are-committing-fraud-includes-alt-.html

Tommy Carrigan Interviews Dr. Peter McCullough & Dr. Robert Malone
https://rumble.com/v1cqjif-tommy-carrigan-interviews-dr.-peter-mccullough-and-dr.-robert-malone.html

Dr. Peter McCullough: 7,750 Vaccinated People Had Strokes In Three Scandinavian Countries
https://rumble.com/v1cjvcv-dr.-peter-mccullough-7750-vaccinated-people-had-strokes-in-three-scandinavi.html

Dr. Malone: All Over The World, It Is The Highly Vaccinated That Are Being Hospitalized And Dying
https://rumble.com/v1c64g7-dr.-malone-all-over-the-world-it-is-the-highly-vaccinated-that-are-being-ho.html

Do Vaccines Have A Role In The Better Way Forward?
https://rumble.com/v1bge9z-do-vaccines-have-a-role-in-the-better-way-forward.html

Dr. Robert Malone: The Whole Narrative Is Crumbling (Wall Street Journal Now Questioning FDA)
https://rumble.com/v1ba65d-dr.-robert-malone-the-whole-narrative-is-crumbling-wall-street-journal-now-.html

Dr. Robert Malone – Texas Senate Committee on Health & Human Services
https://rumble.com/v1ahgu9-dr.-robert-malone-testifies-before-texas-senate-health-and-human-services-c.html

The Debate: Dr. Robert Malone Vs. Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche
https://rumble.com/v18dhuj-the-debate-dr.-robert-malone-vs.-dr.-geert-vanden-bossche.html

Malone, Bossche, Desmet - The Round Table Discussion
https://rumble.com/v18crlu-malone-bossche-desmet-the-round-table-discussion.html

Dr. Robert Malone: The Effectiveness Of Childhood Vaccines Needs To Be Challenged & Investigated
https://rumble.com/v15p44l-dr.-robert-malone-the-effectiveness-of-childhood-vaccines-needs-to-be-chall.html

Dr. Robert Malone: The Pfizer Documents, Cardiotoxicity, Birth Defects, All-Cause Mortality
https://rumble.com/v15gym5-dr.-robert-malone-the-pfizer-documents-cardiotoxicity-birth-defects-all-cau.html

Dr. Robert Malone: The Remarkable Healing Power Of Vitamin D
https://rumble.com/v15j7px-dr.-robert-malone-the-remarkable-healing-power-of-vitamin-d.html

Dr. Malone, Dr. Cole, Dr. Urso Discuss The Dangers Of COVID-19 Vaccines & The Need For Scientific Integrity
https://rumble.com/v14x3ar-malone-cole-urso-discuss-the-dangers-of-covid-19-vaccines-and-the-need-for-.html

Will Governments Ever Admit Their Part In The COVID-19 Nightmare?
https://rumble.com/v10s0lp-will-governments-ever-admit-their-part-in-the-covid-19-nightmare.html

Dr. Robert Malone Documentary - Headwind - Scientists Whose Voices Have Been Censored
https://rumble.com/v10pxaa-dr.-robert-malone-documentary-headwind-scientists-whose-voices-have-been-ce.html

18,000 Doctors & Scientists Agree: Hundreds Of Thousands Were Killed By Bad Policies, Not COVID!
https://rumble.com/v10kfv3-18000-doctors-and-scientists-hundreds-of-thousands-were-killed-by-bad-polic.html

EpochTV Documentary On Dr. Robert Malone - Headwind - Premiers April 9th, 2022
https://rumble.com/vzu5hn-epochtv-documentary-on-dr.-robert-malone-headwind-premiers-april-9th-2022.html

Dr. Robert Malone Mentions Growing List Of Illnesses Associated With Dangerous COVID Vaccines
https://rumble.com/vzp5ue-dr.-robert-malone-mentions-growing-list-of-illnesses-associated-with-danger.html

Stand Up With Dr. Robert Malone - Santa Barbara, California - March 21, 2022
https://rumble.com/vy2kyo-stand-up-with-dr.-robert-malone-santa-barbara-california-march-21-2022.html

Dr. Robert Malone: Can Vaccinated People Infect Unvaccinated People With Dangerous Spike Proteins?
https://rumble.com/vxokgg-dr.-robert-malone-can-vaccinated-people-infect-unvaccinated-people-with-dan.html

CDC Warned: A 'Criminal' Fraud Investigation 'Ready To Go' After Midterm Elections
https://rumble.com/vwmh12-cdc-warned-a-criminal-fraud-investigation-ready-to-go-after-midterm-electio.html

Dr. Robert Malone: The Government Has Hidden Damning Vaccine Information From Us
https://rumble.com/vwjism-dr.-robert-malone-the-government-has-hidden-damning-vaccine-information-fro.html

Dr. Robert Malone: “9 Out Of 10 People Dying Of COVID Have Been Vaccinated!”
https://rumble.com/vwabk6-dr.-robert-malone-9-out-of-10-people-dying-of-covid-have-been-vaccinated.html

Cole & Malone: The CDC Is Guilty Of Scientific Fraud! - Art Moore Interview
https://rumble.com/vvrfco-cole-and-malone-the-cdc-is-guilty-of-scientific-fraud-art-moore-interview.html

Cole & Malone: The CDC Is Guilty Of Scientific Fraud! - Steve Bannon Interview
https://rumble.com/vvq3l8-dr.-cole-and-dr.-ryan-the-cdc-is-guilty-of-scientific-fraud.html

Dr. Robert Malone On CDC Withholding COVID Data
https://rumble.com/vvlk52-dr.-robert-malone-on-cdc-withholding-covid-data.html

Concerning Childhood Vaccines: "You Are Appropriately Outraged!"
https://rumble.com/vwrc44-concerning-childhood-vaccines-you-are-appropriately-outraged.html

Candace Owens Interviews Dr. Robert Malone - Part 1 of 2
https://rumble.com/vwogjs-candace-owens-interviews-dr.-robert-malone-part-1-of-2.html

Candace Owens Interviews Dr. Robert Malone - Part 2 of 2
https://rumble.com/vwoinm-candace-owens-interviews-dr.-robert-malone-part-2-of-2.html

Dr. Robert Malone Accuses The Washington Post Of Slander & Defamation Of Character
https://rumble.com/vtiq9m-dr.-robert-malone-accuses-the-washington-post-of-slander-and-defamation-of-.html

The Warnings Of Geert Vanden Bossche Must Be Heeded; Universal Vaccinations Must Stop!
https://rumble.com/vtdmka-the-warnings-of-geert-vanden-bossche-must-be-heeded-universal-vaccinations-.html

Dr. Robert Malone: “Where There Is Risk There Must Be Choice”
https://rumble.com/vtd0vg-dr.-robert-malone-where-there-is-risk-there-must-be-choice.html

Dr. Robert Malone - Defeat The Mandates - January 23, 2022
https://rumble.com/vt62k2-dr.-robert-malone-defeat-the-mandates-dc-january-23-2022.html

Dr. Robert Malone - Biomedical Ethics Matter: The Damage To Our Entire Medical System Is Profound
https://rumble.com/vt21ck-dr.-robert-malone-biomedical-ethics-matter-the-damage-to-our-entire-medical.html

Dr. Robert Malone: The Great Awakening
https://rumble.com/vsx332-dr.-robert-malone-the-great-awakening.html

Alex Berenson Ambushes Dr. Robert Malone On FoxNews
https://rumble.com/vsni14-alex-berenson-ambushes-dr.-robert-malone-on-foxnews.html

"This Is Premeditated Manslaughter Of Millions Of People Coordinated At The Highest Levels"
https://rumble.com/vsgwbm-this-is-premeditated-manslaughter-of-millions-of-people-coordinated-at-the-.html

MUST WATCH: Mass Formation Psychosis - Dr. Mattias Desmet, Dr. Robert Malone, Dr. Peter McCullough
https://rumble.com/vryeig-mass-formation-dr.-mattias-desmet-dr.-robert-malone-dr.-peter-mccullough.html

Indiana Life Insurance CEO - Deaths Are Up 40% Among People Ages 18-64!
https://rumble.com/vrv4lg-indiana-life-insurance-ceo-deaths-are-up-40-among-people-ages-18-64.html

MUST WATCH: Dr. Robert Malone On Joe Rogan - Complete 3-Hour Interview
https://rumble.com/vrvkpq-dr.-robert-malone-on-joe-rogan-complete-3-hour-interview.html

Dr. Robert Malone On Joe Rogan - Fact Checkers, Censorship, Corruption
https://rumble.com/vrqivc-dr.-robert-malone-on-joe-rogan-fact-checkers-censorship-corruption.html

Dr. Robert Malone On Joe Rogan - T Cell Suppression, Virus Activation, Cancer
https://rumble.com/vrri84-dr.-robert-malone-on-joe-rogan-t-cell-suppression-virus-activation-cancer.html

Dr. Robert Malone On Joe Rogan - Vaccine Side Effects & Natural Immunity
https://rumble.com/vrqhqi-dr.-robert-malone-on-joe-rogan-vaccine-side-effects-and-natural-immunity.html

Dr. Robert Malone: Healthy Children Should NOT Be Vaccinated For COVID-19
https://rumble.com/vqrrz4-dr.-robert-malone-healthy-children-should-not-be-vaccinated-for-covid-19.html

Dr. Robert Malone - Billions Of People Have Been Brainwashed & Don't Realize It
https://rumble.com/vqhgle-dr.-robert-malone-billions-of-people-have-been-brainwashed-and-dont-realize.html

Dr. Robert Malone: Doctors Are Being Hunted Down Right Now!
https://rumble.com/vpnuhy-dr.-robert-malone-doctors-are-being-hunted-down-right-now.html

Explosive! Dr. Robert Malone: They’re Rushing Into Killing Children
https://rumble.com/vp3tj8-explosive-dr.-robert-malone-theyre-rushing-into-killing-children.html

Dr. Robert Malone Reads The Global Covid Summit Declaration
https://rumble.com/vn1d5c-dr.-robert-malone-reads-the-global-covid-summit-declaration.html

Dr. Robert Malone: Effort Underway To Censor Negative Info About COVID-19 Vaccines
https://rumble.com/vkclzf-dr.-robert-malone-effort-underway-to-censor-negative-info-about-covid-19-va.html

Dr. Robert Malone: CDC Purposely UNDER-REPORTING & EDITING Adverse Affects Of COVID-19 Vaccines
https://rumble.com/vkckv7-dr.-robert-malone-cdc-purposely-under-reporting-and-editing-adverse-affects.html

Dr. Robert Malone Discusses Vaccine Risks After YouTube Deletes His Comments
https://rumble.com/vizmor-dr.-robert-malone-discusses-vaccine-risks-after-youtube-deletes-his-comment.html

Full Interview - COVID-19: Censorship, Treatments, Serious Short & Long Term Vaccine Issues
https://rumble.com/vif38l-covid-19-censorship-treatments-serious-short-and-long-term-vaccine-issues.html

Excerpt - Serious Short & Long Term Health Issues Associated With COVID-19 Vaccinations
https://rumble.com/viewq5-serious-short-and-long-term-health-issues-associated-with-covid-19-vaccinat.html